Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
20
   |
Posted - 2011.09.12 14:23:00 -
[1] - Quote
Risdyna Madeveda wrote:removing local would pretty much kill mining except for the very organized.
Yeah maybe but, CCP did say they were considering doing this while providing "other" means to gather intel about who is in a system. So, who knows what that means?
Quote:
I am going to assume that you were referring to the removal of local killing 0.0 mining.
Wrong. Go outside and look, but the sky is not falling and will not fall if local is removed from 0.0 It might actually mean that those big, invincible, super blob-ing alliances in 0.0 might have to actually "get eyes on gates" and be far more organized about "ops" like mining than they are. It wouldn't be enough to simply check local for reds, oh noes...
Wormholes come to mind. And the mining that the residents of those wormholes take part in. Granted, it is not a easy thing to do and requires teamwork to do it properly and safely. But it is very doable. Very.
Besides, why does CCP need to make things any easier? Aren't additional ISK sinks needed? I know I've seen hundreds of comments over the last few weeks talking about the need for more/bigger ISK sinks. Seems like some of the 0.0 activities that rely on local and are therefore extremely safe ought to get looked at.
If you were not referring to 0.0 mining, then I think you misunderstood the discussion revolving around removing local as those have largely been in regards to removing local from 0.0 not Empire Space.
Botting is only possible when the cost of doing such is near zero. You start getting people "guarding" are you going to pay them? Or are you just going to start ordering players to sit there for hours? It won't work. Those players will get bored and they'll leave.
As for wormhole botting. That is never going to happen on the scale it does in null. We have very finite ore and 0 ice. Not going to happen. But even if CCP were to give us that magical buff here's what would happen:
1) Cov-ops comes in see's hulks on dscan.
2) Cov-ops probes out system and all grav/ladar sites.
3) Bot hulks detect probes on dscan. They warp back to POS, go offline.
4) Cov-ops goes back where it came from.
5) A couple of hours later bots are back on site mining.
6) Cov-ops comes back online, calls in more cloaky friends.
7) They all warp on hulks without warning. All hulks dead hulks.
In a best practice scenario those bots would have to stop using those grav/ladar sites entirely and wait days for new ones everytime they detected probes on dscan. Surely, if someone knew people were botting regularly in w-space the way I outlined it is exactly how it would go.
There are ways to make a w-space system safe, temporarily. It's possible you can close all points of entry. However, that is time consuming and risky. It also doesn't prevent random incoming wh's.
As w-space mechanics work now, botting with any reliability is resource limited and fraught with risk.
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |